Comments on: Mediums, Spirits, and Ectoplasm…Oh My! http://associationofparanormalstudy.com/2014/01/04/mediums-spirits-and-ectoplasm-oh-my/ Raleigh, North Carolina Thu, 09 Jan 2014 03:16:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.2.2 By: Brian Parsons http://associationofparanormalstudy.com/2014/01/04/mediums-spirits-and-ectoplasm-oh-my/#comment-24 Thu, 09 Jan 2014 03:16:12 +0000 http://associationofparanormalstudy.wordpress.com/?p=501#comment-24 In all honesty I understand your point, but spiritualists and even scientists in the early twentieth century were fairly blind to many types of trickery and fraud. I have always been a big advocate of science, science, SCIENCE! Investigating in the dark is bad, we need proper controls, tech should be overlapping and not random, etc. The reality is there has to be a bit of trickery in order to get things moving. My research has found many things that went against my beliefs and I have been able to convince myself that certain “mood setters” such as the methods of trickery of old actually enable activity to take place.

Kenneth Batcheldor was a pioneer in table tipping research where he was able to discover a set of “rules” that helped induce psychokinetic activity from the sitters involved. Of these rules he discovered that a “designated cheater” acted as a catalyst to help others believe in what was happening. This decreased the time in which activity happened and increased the intensity of the activity as well. This was based on many mediums and psychics that used the similar “fraud” techniques that also created “genuine” activity, but who’s to say if any of this actually worked, right? His work set the stage for the TSPR “Philip” experiment and has also helped in the design of my “E4” Method of client-based investigations. Fooling people and being fooled is actually part of the dynamic of paranormal activity. Yet as complete fraud is another topic…

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By: Brian Parsons http://associationofparanormalstudy.com/2014/01/04/mediums-spirits-and-ectoplasm-oh-my/#comment-25 Thu, 09 Jan 2014 03:16:12 +0000 http://associationofparanormalstudy.wordpress.com/?p=501#comment-25 In all honesty I understand your point, but spiritualists and even scientists in the early twentieth century were fairly blind to many types of trickery and fraud. I have always been a big advocate of science, science, SCIENCE! Investigating in the dark is bad, we need proper controls, tech should be overlapping and not random, etc. The reality is there has to be a bit of trickery in order to get things moving. My research has found many things that went against my beliefs and I have been able to convince myself that certain “mood setters” such as the methods of trickery of old actually enable activity to take place.

Kenneth Batcheldor was a pioneer in table tipping research where he was able to discover a set of “rules” that helped induce psychokinetic activity from the sitters involved. Of these rules he discovered that a “designated cheater” acted as a catalyst to help others believe in what was happening. This decreased the time in which activity happened and increased the intensity of the activity as well. This was based on many mediums and psychics that used the similar “fraud” techniques that also created “genuine” activity, but who’s to say if any of this actually worked, right? His work set the stage for the TSPR “Philip” experiment and has also helped in the design of my “E4” Method of client-based investigations. Fooling people and being fooled is actually part of the dynamic of paranormal activity. Yet as complete fraud is another topic…

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By: Kennedy http://associationofparanormalstudy.com/2014/01/04/mediums-spirits-and-ectoplasm-oh-my/#comment-22 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 23:34:46 +0000 http://associationofparanormalstudy.wordpress.com/?p=501#comment-22 The problem I have about modern spiritualists is that some of them do not accept the evidence of fraud. They are still about on public internet forums claiming Helen Duncan was a genuine medium but only a click away on the internet are her pictures of her ectoplasm and they reveal cheesecloth or rubber gloves. I know people feel the need to believe in things, but this stuff is so blatantly obvious fraud.

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By: Kennedy http://associationofparanormalstudy.com/2014/01/04/mediums-spirits-and-ectoplasm-oh-my/#comment-23 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 23:34:46 +0000 http://associationofparanormalstudy.wordpress.com/?p=501#comment-23 The problem I have about modern spiritualists is that some of them do not accept the evidence of fraud. They are still about on public internet forums claiming Helen Duncan was a genuine medium but only a click away on the internet are her pictures of her ectoplasm and they reveal cheesecloth or rubber gloves. I know people feel the need to believe in things, but this stuff is so blatantly obvious fraud.

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By: Brian Parsons http://associationofparanormalstudy.com/2014/01/04/mediums-spirits-and-ectoplasm-oh-my/#comment-20 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 04:29:20 +0000 http://associationofparanormalstudy.wordpress.com/?p=501#comment-20 Kennedy,

Richet was a very successful scientist and, unfortunately, a true believer in the paranormal. He was like many at this time who seemed to ignore common sense in order to further their beliefs in Spiritualism. These were different times and it is so easy to look back and assume fraud and place blame on ignorance, but this was more than just a weekend hobby it was an entire belief system and a way of life for many. These feelings toward the field are very similar to the current amateur movement in ghost investigations where people deny that orb photos are merely dust among dozens of other misunderstandings about science and common sense. History has been bad to Spiritualism (or should I say the Catholic Church who, among other things, successfully turned a child’s game into a demonic conduit of evil) and many of the mediums and psychics that defied logic have been lost in time.

Richet may have coined the term ectoplasm, but he did not hold a patent on being a true believer.

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By: Brian Parsons http://associationofparanormalstudy.com/2014/01/04/mediums-spirits-and-ectoplasm-oh-my/#comment-21 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 04:29:20 +0000 http://associationofparanormalstudy.wordpress.com/?p=501#comment-21 Kennedy,

Richet was a very successful scientist and, unfortunately, a true believer in the paranormal. He was like many at this time who seemed to ignore common sense in order to further their beliefs in Spiritualism. These were different times and it is so easy to look back and assume fraud and place blame on ignorance, but this was more than just a weekend hobby it was an entire belief system and a way of life for many. These feelings toward the field are very similar to the current amateur movement in ghost investigations where people deny that orb photos are merely dust among dozens of other misunderstandings about science and common sense. History has been bad to Spiritualism (or should I say the Catholic Church who, among other things, successfully turned a child’s game into a demonic conduit of evil) and many of the mediums and psychics that defied logic have been lost in time.

Richet may have coined the term ectoplasm, but he did not hold a patent on being a true believer.

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By: Kennedy http://associationofparanormalstudy.com/2014/01/04/mediums-spirits-and-ectoplasm-oh-my/#comment-19 Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:31:02 +0000 http://associationofparanormalstudy.wordpress.com/?p=501#comment-19 I don’t think Charles Richet was an honest investigator, you can read about it here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Carri%C3%A8re

He covered up a case of fraud regarding the medium Eva C. The photographs depicted fraudulent ectoplasm made from wires but Richet and other investigators hid the photographs, they were uncovered many years later.

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By: Alex Matsuo http://associationofparanormalstudy.com/2014/01/04/mediums-spirits-and-ectoplasm-oh-my/#comment-17 Sun, 05 Jan 2014 13:00:23 +0000 http://associationofparanormalstudy.wordpress.com/?p=501#comment-17 You are certainly correct in that Spiritualism predates WWI. We’ve covered a few branches of Spiritualism in our blogs before more focused on the pre and post-Civil War Spriitualism in the past with our Spirit Photography post as well as our coverage of Achsa White Sprague. Many scholars have argued that the birth of Spiritualism happened in 1848 when the Fox Sisters heard the rappings in their house from “Mr. Splitfoot”, and was well established by the time the Civil War started in 1861. I have also seen arguments that include Emmanuel Swedenborg (1668-1722) as the father of moder Spiritualism from his “medium-like” reading of a nearby fire that was happening over 100 miles away in 1759. But anyway, Spiritualism surely saw a rise in demand of services after the Civil War brought on 750,000 casualities, and many soldiers having not experienced the “good death” that involved friends, family, and being buried in the family plot. Dr. Molly McGrary wrote an excellent book about 19th century Spritualism called “Ghosts of Futures Past” and there is actually a modern day Spiritualism Camp in Escondido, CA that we’ve worked with in the past. And of course, after WWI, there was also a surge in demand due to obvious reasons. Even Lincoln was said to engage in Spiritualist activities (check out Susan B. Martinez’s book The Psychic Life of Abraham Lincoln)

Water and moisture phenomenon is certainly fascinating, but considering that ectoplasm has indeed been tested by scientists and other psychical researchers, it was concluded that ectoplasm was made by non-paranormal substances and not accepted by science, and has been questioned periodically whether it actually exists. Water would definitely fit in the category. Since Brian already defined the Greek roots of ectoplasm, I won’t repeat it. But also, because it hasn’t been accepted by science and there are conflicting definitions of ectoplasm, we would need to first DEFINE ectoplasm and what it is before attempting to find examples. A few would argue that the ectoplasm discussed in Flo’s blog is the same defined by Arthur Conan Doyle and Charles Richet that the substance was produced by psychic mediums and considered to be a *biological response of the human body* to spirit communication. With the water phenomenon we would hesitate to call it ectoplasm, mainly due to the fact it hasn’t been tested for biological components and chemical makeup to see what was in it. And we would need to decide on whether we agreed that ectoplasm was a human biological response or a product of paranormal activity. If ectoplasm was just a product of paranormal activity, then wouldn’t we see more of this water on investigations on a regular basis?

Great points, Dan. You had me scratching my head for a moment. 🙂

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By: Alex Matsuo http://associationofparanormalstudy.com/2014/01/04/mediums-spirits-and-ectoplasm-oh-my/#comment-18 Sun, 05 Jan 2014 13:00:23 +0000 http://associationofparanormalstudy.wordpress.com/?p=501#comment-18 You are certainly correct in that Spiritualism predates WWI. We’ve covered a few branches of Spiritualism in our blogs before more focused on the pre and post-Civil War Spriitualism in the past with our Spirit Photography post as well as our coverage of Achsa White Sprague. Many scholars have argued that the birth of Spiritualism happened in 1848 when the Fox Sisters heard the rappings in their house from “Mr. Splitfoot”, and was well established by the time the Civil War started in 1861. I have also seen arguments that include Emmanuel Swedenborg (1668-1722) as the father of moder Spiritualism from his “medium-like” reading of a nearby fire that was happening over 100 miles away in 1759. But anyway, Spiritualism surely saw a rise in demand of services after the Civil War brought on 750,000 casualities, and many soldiers having not experienced the “good death” that involved friends, family, and being buried in the family plot. Dr. Molly McGrary wrote an excellent book about 19th century Spritualism called “Ghosts of Futures Past” and there is actually a modern day Spiritualism Camp in Escondido, CA that we’ve worked with in the past. And of course, after WWI, there was also a surge in demand due to obvious reasons. Even Lincoln was said to engage in Spiritualist activities (check out Susan B. Martinez’s book The Psychic Life of Abraham Lincoln)

Water and moisture phenomenon is certainly fascinating, but considering that ectoplasm has indeed been tested by scientists and other psychical researchers, it was concluded that ectoplasm was made by non-paranormal substances and not accepted by science, and has been questioned periodically whether it actually exists. Water would definitely fit in the category. Since Brian already defined the Greek roots of ectoplasm, I won’t repeat it. But also, because it hasn’t been accepted by science and there are conflicting definitions of ectoplasm, we would need to first DEFINE ectoplasm and what it is before attempting to find examples. A few would argue that the ectoplasm discussed in Flo’s blog is the same defined by Arthur Conan Doyle and Charles Richet that the substance was produced by psychic mediums and considered to be a *biological response of the human body* to spirit communication. With the water phenomenon we would hesitate to call it ectoplasm, mainly due to the fact it hasn’t been tested for biological components and chemical makeup to see what was in it. And we would need to decide on whether we agreed that ectoplasm was a human biological response or a product of paranormal activity. If ectoplasm was just a product of paranormal activity, then wouldn’t we see more of this water on investigations on a regular basis?

Great points, Dan. You had me scratching my head for a moment. 🙂

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By: Daniel Scott http://associationofparanormalstudy.com/2014/01/04/mediums-spirits-and-ectoplasm-oh-my/#comment-16 Sun, 05 Jan 2014 08:13:24 +0000 http://associationofparanormalstudy.wordpress.com/?p=501#comment-16 Spiritualism is a Religion with many roots, and predates WWI. The world was changing in the mid late 1800’s, Population growth was higher, America had an influx of foreign residents, The industrial revolution was in full swing, and America was about to enter the Civil War.

Ectoplasm isn’t real, or is it? I would argue for taking a second look. I 100% agree that the myriad of famous ectoplasm photos from the past were all fakes [Fact or Faked Season 2 Episode 203]. I would however point out http://paranormal.about.com/od/earthmysteries/a/aa070306.htm , the phenomena of water like substances appearing without cause or reason has been witnessed as a result of possession, and poltergeists activity. In many cases the water like substance lacked, “a wet feeling,” Such a substance would? or would not by definition be considered ectoplasm?

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